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    September 26, 2012
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sandwich. >> lisa writes i'ill awake in arizona because i was stuck acon l night. >> stop tweeting the show and receive medical attention immediately. that is a first. new demographic for us. people up because they're been stung by animal problems. bob in new hampshire. night with his woe ful calls. >> you know what keeps me up doing that every night? mike barnicle outside the window of my apartment, got that deep mating call. i don't know what that means. "morning joe" starts right now. he is in new york for the u.n. general assembly or as we like to think of it, the reason i can't get to work because of trafc! thent is a gathering of the
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diplomatic juggalos. an incredible opportunity for our president not just to address the world community but for some high-level president-on-prez action. >> the white houseays has nons h a private meetings with world leaders. >> oh. well. probably protocol. this is not the time for one-on-one meetings with other world leaders. >> our research sho it's been 20 yrs srent beo ee and not met one on one with a foreign leader. >> oh. well, i gue if the world leads would like to meet with him persally, they can just done eianlihet aignd tak us >> good morning. it's wednesday, september 26th. welcome to "morning joe." it's another good day here on the set. >> it is a great day on the set. >> with us on set --
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>> because w say so. >> yeah. it really is. >>t'ea >>everyone's in good shape today. we have msnbc and "time" magazine senior political analyst mark halperin with us. good morning. >> hello. >> congratulations. >> huge! is heilman out of the ditch yet? >> he's doi well we're both very happy. happy to be me. h actually -- they got the gurney to get him on the plane back home? what happened? how did he get back on the plane? >> straitjacket. >> straitjacket. >> i'm sure they did. >>s i said to him, he's sll in the mohave desert with charlieheen the peyote is just wearing off. >> he was spotted at the clinton global initiative yesterday. >> we also have former governor of pennsylvania and nbc ns political analy ed rendell. >> morning, mika. >> good to have you here. >> it's the illies' ye i'ee go. they're going to do it this year. >> great shirt, joe.
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it's awesome. >> nice american flag. >> what's going on there? >> who loves america more than you, willie geist? where's your american flag? arur tanem. myan over my >> good for you. >> how about during the pledge? >> that, too. >> he spits on the ground during the pledge. we'll talk about that later. >> he's proud to be an american. >> because at least he knows he's free. >> all right. can i do the news? >>e're inou utouall not interested, so let's just move on. >> we republicans are in trouble. >> yes, you are. why don't we talk about newt gingrich trying to keep todd akin on the campaign trail. you want to go there? >> i'd rather talk about what's really relevt, and that is the facthat i guess, what, a couple wksgo-ri to sound the warning. >> mm-hmm. >> like a fireman, you know, you're kicking down the door and the house on fire. and i'm yelling at people in the bed, "get out! get out!" save yourself. and they were all screaming at me.
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why are you so negative, you rho? >> w ld o >> no, but the thing is -- and there's a great "wall street journal" piece. and i said this over the weekend on "meet the press." you know, poor bay buchanan was doing what poor bay bucnan had to do. mp weveohe to prop u t romy romney campaign are saying horrible things about how bad the campaign's going behind the scenes. you know, talking about "the wall street journal" and the fact that laura ingram's had legitite conces anrush yo gnhe concerns. this is not an ideological campaign, it's not a conservative campaign. not conservatives because the conservatives that are leaders who understand what a mess this country's in and our party's in, they're with me. but let j s some of the screechers, whether it's on certain talk radio shows, people -- you know, they're blaming the polls.
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it's the pollsters' fault, right? just like walter mondale's people were blaming the polls ba in 1984 a day before the ti thy before reagan got 49 states. blaming everything else but where the blame lies. and that is mitt romney and his horrible campaign. peggy noonan was right. you know, these idiots blast people like peggy noonan, these idiots bla people like "the wall street journal." uringram.ots blast peoe le why aren't you a loyal republican? well, i think a loyal republican says the house is on fire. and me's running out. if we want to save this house, we'd bter do it now. tried that a couple of weeks ago. ess what? time's running out you know when early voting starts in ohio? less than a week. >> 26 states have already started voting. >> 26 states have already started early voting. in ohio where we're going to show some polls this morning that show jus howorbly mit ro'sng .
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yoknow what? i was saying last week there are 45 days. there aren't really 45 days left. they've got to turn this thing around or they lose. this is what jason riley wrote in "the wall street journal" yesterday. media blame game. this from aonservative blication, by the way, eme right-wing trolls. "the wall street journal." just like "the wall street journal's" been warning mitt romney's campaign for a month now that he'd better do something or else he's going to lose. "since pulling even in the polls after the paul ryan pick and the cotiasnt t romney campaign has stumbled repeatedly. yet mr. romney, who is losing by five or more points in iowa, colorado, wisconsin, michigan, ohio, florida and virginia, sees blue skies ahead. askehow he intended to turn his campaign ound, mr. romney esneturnaround.s," ,t and romney surrogates were out over the weekend blaming the liberal media for the campaign's troubles. the press didn't treat ronald
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reagan and george w. bush any less unfairly, and both men managed not onlyo win the presencyutge re-elected. mr. romney would do better to focus more on reducing his unforcedrrors and less on the fourth estate's political bias. ifhining about the liberal media was a winning strategy for republicans, newtingrich wou be t mi" well, and newt gingrich is a great example -- i don't mean to go back there -- a great example of the problem we're talking about here. because -- >> no. >> -- no, instead of stepping forward and separating himself from this candidate, he somehow, becausof his party -- at distraction.. >> it is. >> i'm talking about the presidential race. we're one week out from the first presidential debate, and we have brand-new polling out this morning from three separate swing states that show this race is slipping away. >> and they're the big e. andhey' tigth mika. >> yes, they are. are you ready?
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>> i'm ready for you to talk about the presidential race. >> zip it. according to the latest quinnipiac university/new york times/cbs news poll of likely voters, it's actually related -- >> no, it's not. 1rcage points in ohio.ry no republican has lost and then won the presidency. the president is up nine points in florida and has opened up a 12-point lead in pennsylvania. in the same poll, president obama leads mitt romney in his ndlif e ecomy ill estat. 51% of polled voters say the president would do the better job. >> okay, let's go back to the last slide, guys. and mark halperin, let's talk to you. i know you agree with me that the media is liberal. guess what? republicans have someh managed to win dpitehat a raas you've said it repeatedly on this show. so despite that fact, mitt romney is not getting crushed in all three of these states because of the liberal media bias.
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what's hapning the, and why is he lingoba especially in oh? >> well, it's very unlikely the president will win those states by those margins, but these numbers are not out of line dramatically with private polling and some other public polling. i think the biggest problem rit now remains him. he's not driving asient mee. the president does -- says something, the republicans get all excited about it. they treat it like a gaffe. they'll talk about it for a day. and then they'll move on to something else. the biggest danger to me right now for the republican party are two things. one is that you look athe ingointo win.s of who peoe now and from elite republicans and from rank-and-file republicans you hear increasingly the president's going to win. that is a very dangerous thing for anyone to be running in the headwinds of. and the oer thing is, right now democrats could not only hold the senate, they could acallyick up a seat the sena and i don't know what happens to the house. if the president wins by these huge margins and they pick up a
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senate seat rather than lose control of the senate, the house is going to be in play. it's not today, but republicans right now are in danger of vingshiusal i on itself. and it all can be turned around if governor romney performs better. >> and by the way, bill kristol hasegun to be concerned with the weekly standard about republicans losing the house. again, you know, you don't help your party when the perso at thtop of e ttoi su horrific job that he could not only endanger the presidency but could endanger both houses. >> is it the person at the top of the ticket that's ultimately so flawed, ed rendell, that the party won't be able to move forward? >> well absolutely. although i don't think romney started out as a flawed candidate. i think mark's point is revel. and the romney campaign is not the only who makes this mistake. campaigns today focus on winning the day, winning the day. president obama says a bump in the ro. so they get all excitednd push
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, mp ihe rot distracts them from what ought to be their overall theme and message. and the media drives that, but the campaigns don't have to react to the media. if i were planning a presidential campaign, that would be lesson one. stay on course. don't get distracd by the lhe romyamnms to be doing is reacting to the theme of the day. >> if you look inside those numbers, too, "the new york times" poll and also "the washington post" poll, people in ohio, now people in florida, too, by a majority are saying the economy's getting better. i trustresident obama now to lehe ecy. i m who's up against huge unemployment numbers. you can rattle through all the economic data that should not be good for president obama. and yet in three or four states that matter, the tide is switching on those questions. >> don't you think florida is shocking? of those three, i tught florida nine points is the most ki >>nnepoll, florida four points in "the washington post" poll. i've said it for months, any repuican candidate that's losing the state of flori has
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serious problems. >> willie's right, the economic numbers are huge. the othething that relates is e geer g. inseesuiipia polls. the gender gap is gigantic. why did the romney campaign have as their surrogates bay buchanan and liz cheney and kelly ayotte? because they have a huge gender problem, and they're not addressingt with these daily attacks on the president's so-called es >> ry o"leno" last night. i didn't see the whole thing, but the clips i saw, i don't know. i know that's tough to say, but the relatability issue is constant. >> you know, and there's a bigger ise. ey're having trouble reti. reerviro mp and we drove past -- ed, you'll understand this. being a populist republican, a conservative populist southern republican, we were going past all of these sort of little ranch uses. probably 1,800 square feet, wher
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probably cost $70,000, $75,000. as we were driving past, i said you know why mitt romney's not going to win? look at these houses. you know every one of these houses when ian in my district, every one of them voted for me. every single person. d 'dwy name.n the do, they'd ask for the yard sign. i said, how many of these little ranch houses here do you think are going to vote for mitt romney? so just so i don't make it about myself, you could have said the same thing about george w. bush. those people in those ranch houses voted f george w. bush. >> or b. >> o je tot jeb bush. they voted for ronald reagan. they voted for conservatives that they thought could relate to them. you look at those ranch houses now, and they may not like barack obama, but are they going to get out and vote for mitt romney? thi-, you know? and you were looking at them. it's the relatability issue. >> you can't tell anymore who they would vote for. it used to be pretty clear. i want to show you this sound
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bite. mitt romney is spending, of course, his third straight day in ohio. presidt obama heads to the state this moing. tos ys"s reporting that aides to romney say the republican candidate and running mate paul ryan will be campaigning together more often in the coming weeks, according to the report. the move underscores concerns that mr. romney is not generating enough excitement on his n and needs mr. ryan to re u srt that may have been evident during a campaign stop yesterday outside dayton. >> wow! that's quite aguy, isn't it paul an isthomething? wait a second. wait a second. romney, ryan! romney, ryan! romney, ryan! there we go. all right. that's great. thank yo >> oh. sweet jesus. i'm sorry. m soy. shouldn't be so hard on you. i shouldn't bring up newt
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gingrich. >> it's just irrelevant. >> it doesn't even matter. >> it's irrelevant. what do the catholics say? holy mary mother of god? >> it's not going to work. >>ra f o sinners in thy hour of peace. >> it's not going to work. it's too late for that. >> it seems to me -- except what would happen, it's the end of "godfather 2," i'm fredo on the back of the boat about to get it in the bac of my head. howo yoix at >> d f it. sadly, i said this about mitt romney's a great man. he is. he's a great father, a great husband. he is a great businessman, great turnaround guy. if i had a business anywhere in the world, i'd have him run it. just -- he's horrible politician. hene the worst. he's a great guy. i just want to say, he's a great, great guy, but man, ed rendell -- younow him. great guy. >> i'm astounded at the campaign. mitt romney i knew when he s
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smar wasetf massachetts was confident. >> so that's it. you think that he could be worked with if he had the right team around him? >> well, i think they tried to make him into something he's not. and when that happens in politics, it screws you up forever. he is a morate. he believes in certain things. he suld have been proud -- when hemonteos health care plan, myself and my staf went up there when he was still governor. he was proud of the plan. he knew every little detail about the plan. and he was enthusiastic about it >> blew people away. >> and the plan is a great plan. be proud of it. be proud of it. n'n om .or accomplishment. yo go ouf politics. voters have a great sixth sense of knowing when you're someone trying to be someone you're not. >> remember george h.w. bush back in 1988 when, you know, we'd look at him as such areat try e-e' get a little he would goofy on the campaign trail, and he would embarrass himself. and when he was himself, he was --
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>> terrific. >> -- he was a remarkable man. he was a war hero. he was a great leader. it's rough. i don't understand, though, yo know,willie, we were covering fr yrs a iwa i new hampshire where he was playing right-wing evangelical conservative. and it didn't work for him. nobody believed it. and we heard over the next four years he was gng to be himself this time. >> yeah. >>e's still not himself. >> we're not seeing it ee aumof interviews where he's asked a question -- and we've said this many times, and you can see the gears turning -- what am i supposed to say here? not to offend conservatives or whoever it may be instead of just being himself. it may have caught up to him. mi talked about relatability inside some of these "washington postller peinho represents my interests? who gets me? who understands me? that goes to president obama, even among some republicans. >> and you go back to i thought a seminole moment in this moment was when mitt romney was asked about the blood amendment. you recallis first responseo
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ent amendment was i would never be in favor of that. i think cantor and boehner and those guys got to him. and the next day he was all for the blunt amendment. he had chance to carve out some relationship with women by saying the blunt amendment is abusive, and i'm against. and e crves going to do, vote for barack obama? he had so many chances during the campaign to carve out his own identity, which i think is closer to the real mitt romney. >> mark halperin? >> two events here in the city, at the glol initiative, talke about amerse the world, then he did an education nation interview with brian, very good. showed the fact that he's a policy guy, that heares about issues. but that mitt romney does t get veryuch attention. and he doesn't put it on display very often. omsfighr.now- the thi heas he has to have people like joe scarborough look at him every day on the trail, every day, every event and say, he's fighting for the party.
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he's fhting for the country. he's fighting to turn the country around. i don't see that. but if he doesn't bome tt e tbas ghe first debate and i be very hard to keep the party together behind him. >> again, time's running out. october 2nd is early voting in ohio. u've got the first debate coming up. you've got people like karl rove. karl rove every day. and that's the guy i wld be looking at if i wereitt ttt romne but all of us should look at karl rove. what's karl doing with his money? karl knows how to use money in campaigns better than anybody else. i still think the 2004 win, one of the remarkable achievements in modern presidential history -- >> anybody else alive? >> righ it's bette than anydy ee iv ,iggt out, how to spread the money. i remember calling him, asking him to help one of my friends in the gubernatorial race, and he was tough, and he asked all the right questions. and at the end of the campaign, i was, like, maybe he doesn't get the money. but if karl rove decides tha th ttome
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point, he's going to spend that money on saving the republican house and savin the republican senate. and when that happens, you know, it all goes off a cliff for the romney campaign. i'm not saying that's going to haen, bueverybody needs to ke alosenare because karl rove is not going to waste people's money. people that contributed to him, he's going to make sure that he has something to show for it. >> and those decisions will be made a day or two after the first debate. >> watch john boehner, too. he's groitak mind. if this thing's in a bad place in a couple weeks, i think you'll see boehner and other republican leaders. >> john boehner's going to have to protect his speakership. you're losing ten points in joh boner's home state, john boehner's going to be concerned, for good reason. and what about mitch? h s e ri leader. and he has a chance. so yeah. mika by the way, wasn't it great seeing bl clinton again yesterday?
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>> it was a very nice interview. i thought you both were very well behaved. you really like each other. it's unbelievable sometimes when they get together. it was good. he was good. don't you think? >> i thought it was great. >> i like the clinton global ni inittive a lot, what they do. >> great stuff. >> it was fun. great toe over there. tony bir wfati guess who we have coming up. >> who's that? >> former british prime minister gordon brown. >> no way. >> it continues. and get this, sheila bair comes to the table. her new become on t financial crisis has some stinging words so award-winning presidential historian evan thomas will take us inside his new book on dwight eisenhower. and from the new nbc show "guys wi kids," actor anthony anderson will be here. > andoming up, mike allen oloboe top stories in the first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill.
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>> he's fantastic. >> well, no, we would not go that far. >> no? >> yeah. >> sorry. >> unadulterated man love for bill karins. >> she has aoster in her room. that's what i heard. sheoes. hes. >> she's on meds again. >> good morning, everyone. unfortunately, the gorgeous september weather that we've been experiencing in new england and the mid-atlantic has come to an end. it looks like a cloudy kind of gloomy period will move in starting today and continue with esetig showers upcomi weekend. through central new england that are now pushing up towards maine. we've also got numerous other areas of rain back towards pittsburgh and cleveland. today's recast hit and hiss showers and storms. temperatures in the 70s throughout the day. we will see -- at least mild. cegain coming out of ly. southern illinois through southern indiana. some heavy rain and thunderstorms. they've been near louisville and cincinnati this morning. you're going to dodge them all day long. as far as airports go, i think the cincinnati and louisville parents will probably see the
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worst of it. maybe delays in st. louis and asy srs storms. i mentioned it's kind of a gloomy period. the southern half of the country is not experiencing that. neither is the northern half. it's right through the middle. i want to tell you, washington, d.c., one of those spots that you're going to struggle to see sunshine even as we go throughout the next five days in a row. so really have to sae've beilsseptember. and unfortunately, it's coming to an end. you're watching "morning joe." we're brewed by starbucks. stay top of mind with customers? from deals that bring them in with an offer...
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on saturday, ann romney's plane had to make an emergency landing. after an electrical fire broke out on board. w, i'm happy to hear that she is fine. mitt used ts close call to presena bold idea. >> when you have a fire in an aircraft, there's no place to exactly. there's no -- and you can't find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft because the windows don't open. i don't know why they don't, do they? but it's a real problem. >> it is a real oble for one thing, it explains why burger king doesn't have a fly-through window. >> at 27 past the hour, it's time now to take a look at the
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"morning papers," shall we? m g tbout it if you're not careful. you might want to change your tone. >> i will too, if you're not careful. you want to go there? >> i do, actually. "the wall stet journal," home prices in the u.s. made their strongest yearly gains since 2005, ring 5. during july. during the same period last year, home prices rose just 4%. analysts believe low mortgage rates and a rise in demand have attributed to the increase in price. >> that's good news. that's something we can both agree on, mika. >> mm-hmm. >> that ahe gatas of a crystal burger in the morning. marissa mayer tells her plan to turn around an internet company. user growth and advertising revenue by bringing new talent to the company while shiftin yahoo!'s focus tmaon antablet devices. isn't that fascinating?
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>> where's the kansas story? >> what story? >> there's a story out of kansas that we do now. >> on kansas? >> yeah. >> what's the matter with kansas? hat ppened to that? did jt bury it? >> i don't have that on "papers." >> never mind. i assumed you guys were interested in it. >> you know what's depressing about marissa mayer? these amazing. >> tt's e coole tngn yet 5:30 in the morning. let's go to politico. the chief white house correspondent is mike allen with a look at the playbook. good morning, mike. we've been talking about the polls in "the new york times," quinnipi poll, also "the washinon po"po e wng about a new worry for mitt romney, and that is holding white men. what's the problem there? >> yes, can you believe it? talk about the base. white men have gone 60/40 for the republican nominee every time since 1972.
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eron exction ith bullf a sudden, this is a problem for mitt romney. and it all seems to do with the fallout from that video when many of the peopl that he wrote off as part of the 47% turned out to be working blue-collar me ey'relit the he session because about half of the lost jobs belonged to white males. it went to iowa which is sort of ground zero for this fight and found that all of a sudden this is another worry foritt romney. therobl f mt romney is that everything's on fire at once. that he can just go live in ohio because he has to worry about florida and virginia. he can't just focus on women because now all of a sudden he has a problem withite me sthi statistic that just went up from a new "washington post"/abc news poll. 61% of people view mitt romney's
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campaign negatively. that's up 15 points since mid-july. that has t be that videotape. that was the biggest game angein tpe. >> real quick, mike allen, we don't want to write obituaries. we're a month and a half away from election day. but when you look at these polls we have out this morning combined with what you're talking about here, what can the romney campaign do at this point to change e forces of grity? >> yeah. all y lo a republicans, what would you do? if you were them, what would you do? or ask romney people, what can you do? going back to wn i was cov covering the king geor county board of supervisors in virginiai always ask a candidate, h do u thk d 's tough. it's sort of out of their hands. they're depending now on a br k barack obama impsion as well as mitt romney suddenly doing so well in this debate. so they can't -- it's -- the margs inhese stasre s
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t they need both obama to go down as they're going up. >> all right, mike. and apparently you've been deputized by "sports illustrated." you're here to reveal the new cover of "sports illustrated." >> what? >> there's a lot of goo news, good buzz inside the beltway. it's on the cover of "sports illustrated" this week. they're calling washington/baltimore america's unlikely new sports capital. seth davis, lanny son is writing in "sports illustrated" abo the beltway as the new spos surpower. we have the washington nationals tied with the reds for the best team in baseball. we have great hope for the redskins with this quarterback, rg3 which "spos illustrated" i hope he's better than that. >> yeah. it's definitely a moment. i can tell you as a yankee fan, the orioles are frightening at this point. >> aren't they something?
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>>ike allen, thanks so much. >> have a good week. >> a point of personal privile here. >> please. >> i want to hear about one story today and one story only. and i want to know what's going on in kansas. mika, do we have a kansas story? >> that is just so ansparent. >> what? what's trar >> i told you you needed to be neisser. >> i am. what do you think about the story? >> you will like it, actually. >> i know i will. let's hear it. >> they're fighting back against new school lunch guidelines that restrict calorie intakamong teens. ee l a good idea. >> the intent was to promote healthy eating. but after having their lunches cut to 850 calories, what the hell? some students say they're still hungry. rnthndof calories by u some of the day or some of them,
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students are protesting their new dietary restrictions creating this spoof based on the hit song "we are young" by the popular band fun. state education andutrition officials y many instances, the portion sizes haveot chged. d sdent can net more food with unlimited servings of fruits and vegetables. they're fighting back. they want their junk food back. >> who says our yaouth is apathetic? >> i know, they're involved. >> they care. >> wilsafean talk seriously about it for one second that for -- yeah, for kids that sit around and py video games all day, 850 calories, that's too much. >> right. >> they should be eating a lot less. you have a kid that wak up, you know, at 4:30 in the morng, iaim >>s ttb practice. >> i can tell you when i did two-a-days in florida, i probably consumed, you know, it was 99 degrees. i probably consumed 5,000 calories a day. >> without gaining weight. >> and i couldn't gain weight.
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you have to be careful with teenagers. epngheir delopment, they do need to take in -- they need the right food. it should not be hard. >> krispy kreme doughnuts. >> to feed our children. >> crystal burgers. up next -- >> by the way, are we going to get a chick-fil-a up north any time soon, willie? >>t became les li. hy i th >> why is that? >> i wish it weren't true. >> we don't live in chicago. you know what we do have in new york? >> mad dog. he's cute. he's got a personality. >> and i tnk he's cute with a personality, too. >> oh, good. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just served my mother-in-law your chicken noodle soup but she loved it so much... i told her it was homemade. everyone tells a little white lie now and en. but now she wants my recipe [ clears his throat ] [ softly ] she's right behind me isn't she? [ male announcer ] progresso. yogoa taste th soup.
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what would you do about those referees in the nfl? would you order them back to work? >> i'd sure like to see some experience referees with nfl expeenceome ck o playing fields. >> paul ryan called those refs out today. are you glad that he did that? >> that's just fine. paul was very angry that the green bay packers he believes
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won and the referees took it away from them. >> thawas mitt romneyghing sty.n the l refereeckou re with us -- >> you know what? he's such a natural. >> he loves sports. >> stop it. >> he loves sports. >> joe, we're all pro-union today. >> here to help us through the referee controvers chris russo headlines his own sports channel on sirsxmal"mad dog radio." >> how are you guys? governor, nice to see you. a little light out of mitt romney. >> oh! >> what a disgrace. and it's the owners' fault. they arehe steward of the game. when you are the stewards of the game, you must protect the game. and they are not protecting the game. >>hey'renot. hi oshha charges fans full tickets, full ticket prices for preseason football, okay? makes you buy a psl before you can buy a season ticket. >> i don't know what one is. >> what's a psl? >> you have to buy the seat, then buy the season tickets. seat lics. forll their new stadiums. >> excuse me?
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>> buy it for life. >> buy it for life. >> every day for the rest of your life. >> but just for your -- >> and you have the right to pass it to your kids. >>ad dog, let's break this down. >> that's a je. wheths a jo t a joke. how much money does the nfl make a year? >> $9 billion ayear! >> let's talk about money. how much money do the refs want a game or a year in >> it's about this pension. they want this pension scenario fixed. .hey'vbeen very strong about yowoknore ouis than me. >> it's not a salary issue. the point is who cares what the issue is? $9 billion! give us the officials back, again, screws aroun with times on games, makes you st ignanua and freeze your butt off in football games, preseason and pay full prices and they're going to screw around and the wrong team wins on monday night.
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they should ashamed. the owners should be hamed. >> it's azing, tonee re we sd two weeks ago it's going to end. then they went on another week. they put out this statement yestday where they said we agree we have to review the officiating, but they haven't said enough is enough. >> i thought for sure we'd have goodell tell us sterday at 5:we errored, our mistake, officials are coming back, and they didn't do that which shocked me. >> the problem i think with most professional sports is the commissioners who used to be, years ago, strong and independent. the commissioners now are so dependent on the owners that th aret an independent e. >> gooll st,se not? >> but if he's strong, he just calls up everybody and says, guys, we're doing this. >> and he hasn't done that. the governor is 100% right. >> david rozelle would have done this. >> or stern. he's on top of it. again,hink about it for a second. nf makgocry o these regular-season games. coaches are acting poorly. the players are barbaric now.
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they're going crazy because they know they can get away with everything. one referee putting his hands . the other guy saying it's an inteeption theashoeomely t of line. let's not make it sound like you won the super bowl. walk off the field quietly. thank the lord you got a win and move on. pete carroll, golden tate, shut up. nobody wants to hear i for goodness sakes. i like what the packers did. mccarthy didn't say anything aaron rodgers, after t ga u ow h got robbed but he was pretty good about it. green bay handled this superbly, unlike belichick who did a bad job. but again, think about it. $9 biion. this is penniese're talking about. >> pennies. >> pennies. i'm on the show! retiamed here! it's stupid. it doesn't make any sense. >> governor, what are we doing? >> i think this is a little bit about ideology and contro when it becomes a question of who's tougher than the other side, then all reason goes out the window. and that's what i thi has
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happen her it's question we'oi tserefs. we run the nfl. and you've got to operate in the best interests of the game. because the clause in almost ery sport, best interests of the game. >> why don't the players do what willie i heard they were thinking about doing, start taking a ee. n'come te ga, we utthe, ha t do this to you, fans, but we're going to go out and take a knee because it's not safe to play out there. it's not fair for our teams. we want to let you guys see us play in the playoffs, and these refs are going to risk that for us. >> one of the packers players, t.j., whoee v v tweeting, going on the radio said it's going to get to the point we'll have to go out, take a knee and wait. i don't think they'll go that far. they don't have guaranteed contracts. they don't want t hurt the game. >> the players have been rbaric. they're killing each other on n yh it cause they know they t coaches have not acted with decorum. you have to rush on the field to make it worse.
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john fox, jack del rio. >>he replacement officials, they're not bad men. they're trying to do t best they ca >> it's not their ul >>hey'nver tir heads. >> you talk to everybody, i remember hearing emmitt talk, a pensacola guy, about the difference between college game and the pro game. he said, man, the first time you get hit and you see how fast everything moves, he said is a whole new wo ai win bendg. and so if you're a ref and you're used to seeing things at one speed and you've been doing that for 20 years -- >> very hard. >> -- it's unfair to these replacement refs to put them out there th 50,000 pple l .ching a say kpp w itotfair. >> and they did naia football. this is the lowest level. >> it's not the s.e.c. refs. >> again, if they had been trained to be echrefs, i'm sure
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they'd be good. you can't teach them overnight. it's not fair to them. i like what the governor said. the nfl is so used to winning. these owners have been so successful. they've made billions of dollars. this is the lite play pen for them, and they don't want to boom le is tak . you've lost this one. give up what you have to give up. the officials have won. america is ticked off at you. and you know what? move on to the next game. this is absurd. >> by the way, i'm sorry. >> the truth is they think their brand is so strong and the nfl is so powerful, the can weather this and it won't hurt the game. >> treetstd. willie, we have another sports story. it's a romantic sports story. mika? >> it's actually an endurance issue. >> so talk about that. >> 30 years, mike and ann. >> mike barnicle. >> they celebrated. they went to whereheirirst w! where do you think mike's first date was? >> fenway park. >> fenway. >> how cute is that? >> i didot know that. congratulations. mike barnicle.
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>> and ann was there, too. that's so nice. >> happy anniversary. >> happy 30th anniversy. youhinkheirea w be tye >> you know what? i think they had pretty good seats. ann's always been connected. >> ann, you are amazing. seriously. >> mike, we love you, but we have no idea how ann, stuck in there for 30 years. >> happy anniversary. >> did the red sox win? >>no,ed. th's just what they do these days. that's our thing this year. mike and i have been talking about it, they lose a lot of games. should they clear out some of the underbrush, all the pink hat red sox fans? >> all right, chris. >> boil it back down to the -- >>he originals. the misery ick. yeah. >> chris always captures the mood of the fans. >> all over the place. >> and the fans are angry. >> again, you owe it to protect it. they're not doing that right now. >> chr russo, thanks. up next, mika's "must-read opinion pages."
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built it" campaign. warren will focus on the core issues and ask massachusetts voters to decide who is o their . if, she'll not only lead a new generation of progressive reformers into the senate, but also begin to teach democrats how to fight for working people once more." mark? >> vanden heuvel, not ratner, on that. >> not ratner. spe don't he rr hto >>ust game out what's going on a little bit if the president stays ahead in these leads and polls, republicans may turn to an argument we've seen made in pa campaigns which is we need a check on thepresident. you've got toote for scott bbtanaramse we don't want a now, the president might argue -- and democrats will argue -- give me unified control. let's get things done. i don't know if the country wants nancy pelosi back as speaker, wants elizabeth warren there pushing the president further to the left. right w democrats he a choice to make about wheer thea pha message of get washington
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unstuck by giving us back unified control. if elizabeth warren's in the sena and scott brown isn't, you're going to see a lot of democrats in the senate. but if he wins massachusetts, if the president wins massachusetts by 20 points,cottwn c >>ah and that, again, is how a failed mitt romney campaign is going to pose a problem. >> i thought scott brown, his campaign brilliantly made a terrible mistake about this native american stuff. just terrible. and he's been a brilliant campaigner. >> you know, mike barnicle has said that that is actually a big issue up in massachusetts among working-class swing voters,ut kifem mf'88 and bush going to one flag factory too much, you know, dukakis made a mistake on theledge of allegiance deal and bush
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hammered it home. i thought, yeah. i think he's gone too far on at. atome of brown's people were doing a tomahawk chop and chanting. >> and his staff. >> come on. >> yeah, his staff. >> his senate staff. and this is the sort of stuff that, you know, i don't say campaigns turn on thing like this, but, you know, they nd to dp. nd response ad is terrific. >> that's a pretty good ad. still ahead, former british prime minister gordon brown joins us on set. more "morning j" when we come back. i i had pain in my abdomen... it just s tidn't go away. but i had already gone through menopause. these symptoms may be nothing... but they could be early warning signs of a gynecologic cancer, such as ceical, ovarian, or uterine cancer. feeling bloated for no reason. that's what i remember. seeing my doctor probly saved my life. warning signs are not e sa orveryone. if you think something's wrong...
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thk you, m prent it an honor to be here this morning. and i appreciate your kind words and that introduction is very touching. if there's o thing we've learned in this election season, by the way, it is that a few words from bill clinton can do a maa lot of goo all i've got to do now is wait a couple of days for that bounce to happen. >> that was -- >> that was great. >> pretty good. sty,hentlo omy at cgi
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iniative. that actually was funny. welcome back to "morning joe." mark halperin still with us, pulitzer prize-winning jon meacham joins us on set. you're not going to start selling preorders of your book >>'terdis agnst work. she's against work. >> author of the new book, "ike's bluff: president eisenhower's secret battle to save the world." i can't wait. i've already got e-mails from friendsaying get me one. >> i read thi suer a goo aut a president who is, i think, given the last two presidents we've had, a president whose competence is helping him rise. jon meacham, in the eyes of a lot of historians, looking back u ow, eig yrs of competence? eight years not only of competence but ruthless efficiency? that wouldn't be a bad thing to
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have. >> this is one place where i think the scholarly world was a little bit ahead of th public. fred greenstet prto0 yeagd ook cd"the hidden hand presidency" which was saying conventional wisdom is this is a bumbling coffer. what evan has done is apply it to the exienti cs he le othntur >> mfa, evan, we're all southern democrats. and i would hear from them growing up that ike -- you know, they loved fdr, the day fdr died, they literally thought the world was going to come to an end. ery dla talked aboutike,nd heas just a bumbling fool that played golf all the time. and reading your book, that was, unlike most politicians are sayingook at this, ikeante
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people think that everybody else was doing everything. >> i had the kind of confidence that allowed him to be humble. he didn't need to show off or being arrogant. he would have hated the celebrity culture today, but he knew wha he was doing. and you know, he would -- he was so condehae wng toppear a little dumb. once before a press conference when they said oh, you've got to be really careful about this. he said, oh, don't worry, i'll just confuse them. and he did. he would be intentionally inarticulate. >> thas fantasti >>ge a reagan shared that. i wonder if he picked that up from vike. they both valued being underestimat. and it paid great dividends for both of them. >> great strategy. >> ike was very good about sharing credit, giving others credit, but also avoinbl it oka wit him for others to take the blame. he had this ability to float above the fray. now, fu coif you conquered and liberated europe, it's easier to
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be confident. so he had lot going for him. but he had a kind of natural, goin cde t allowed him to accept a great deal of responsibility and not whine about it. >> we're going to talk about this more, but first, mika, let's go through the new of the day and specifically the polls. >> we're one week out from the first presidential debate. we have brand-new polling thi mogmeewi states. according to the latest quinn quinnipiac poll, preside obama leads mitt romney by 10 percentage points in ohio, a double-digit lead in the state no republicahas lo and then e idis u n points in florida. and he has opened up a 12-point lead in pennsylvania. >> mark halperin, look at those numbers. what's it mean? >> well, this poll is better for the president in most of these states than some other public polls, but they're notot ofe ouonsider public polling a a lot of private polling.
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and there's no electoral college path for mitt romney if these numbers are anything close to accurate. the president's above 50%. >> the romney campaign does not contest privately that they're behind in florida. tho nocontt tre ndsi s iio so all of these people running around saying oh, the polls are skewed and they're liberal, that comes as news to the romney people themselves whose internal polls sh the same thing. >> it will take a lot for mitt romn to win, to saying the ra is er a lng those numbers is not advisable, but it will take a lot for him to win. he needs a national turnaround. he's supposed to be a great turnaround artist. that's his reputation and his record. he needs a turnaround, not saying stay the course, everything's fine. >> by thway, mika, the wle ea lt w wve g 5 ys lt. we really don't. early voting starts in ohio in six days. it starts in florida soon after. >> it's on. >> it's already started in many states. voting has begun. and a new "washington post"
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poll gives the president an eit-point advantage hio antbyr ts fla. it's important to note that as you just said, early absentee voting begins in ohio and florida this tuesday. and october 23rd in pennsylvania. ttne spending his third straight day in ohio, and president obama heads to the state this morning. today's "new york times" is reporting that aides to romney say the republican candidate and running mate, paul ryan, will be campaigning together more in the coming weeks. according to the repo,he modere concerns that mr. romney is not generating enough excitement on his own and needs mr. ryan to fire up supporters. that may have been just a tad bit evident during a campaign stop yterday outside dayton. >> wow! that's quite a guy, isn't it?
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paul ryan! isn't that something? wait a second. wait a second. romney/rya romney/rn! eyn! e . that's great. >> oh, my lord. i suppose he might have been more confident had he led allied forces to victory in the second world war. that's what you're talking about there. so mitt romney, obviouy, ny ways here.y >> i mean, i think he's done for unless he saves himself in t debates. there always can be an interv e intervening event. >> an intervening event, okay. >> a meteor. >> what? >> tidal wave. 'sngoeet ty dramatic. if these polls are right, you know, eight, ten points in florida and ohio, that's fatal. >> again, these polls, jon meacham, reflecting what the private polls in the campaigns are reflecting. x,n,ight points in s ioh,
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ohio. three, four, five in florida. it's pretty tough. and there are fewer undecideds. those undecideds, even if you get to three, four percentage points, those undecideds which /2 for your candidate.ea ke and boy, it's more of an uphill battle. >> i think you have to go back to what is essentially pre-history, which is '60 and '68 to get to something where there was enough volatility that rnnde is plausible.ke th, a and those were years that are just not being replicated. we talk a lot about 1980. but that was a case where people were looking for a reason to get rid of the incumbent. what's to me the great story of the campaign is how oba has convinced people, has made that not be the dynamic. by all rational numbers, by all sort of right track, wrong track
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untithe last week or so, the economic numbers, it should have been an anti-incumbent election. anpeleldt lelde waiting for romney to do a reagan as in cleveland as he did in 1980 and sort of become plausible. but somehow or another, the president's campaign has kept thatrom being the decisive moment. >> you know, there are a lot of ntgo nan to vote for barack obama. a lot of swing voters did not want to vote. the president was upside down with independent voters. democrats got absolutely skewered in the off-year election in 2010, minus 16 with independent ters. lp, s, ugly though,ark primary season and this disappointing stumbling presidential election for republicans, they just haven't given voters a reason. >> an important thing i think for republicans looking for a comeback is that if you go back a year and say what wa the eyave executed it exactly as
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they envisioned. and they continue to. and they're not done executing. if you look at governor romney and what his plan was, thinking about a general election even back then, they ha not executed. they have not made this a referendum on the incuent,nd thre eti day in and day out. they are jumping around to different things. i asked the president's advisers, any chance you guys are going to add some new element, change your message? they laugh. they are on the same message they knew they could win on. and these marns in some of these polls are bigrr as big o.hesi houar >> can i ask you, explain the florida numbers. >> well, you have a terribly flawed candidate. that's thenly way you can explain it. florida becomes more conservative by the year. e state house becomes more conservative be ar th sisre bes moreonservative by the year. rick scott, i would dare say, is perhaps the most conservative governor in the united states. florida, i understand it's a
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swinstate in presidential election, but it's a swing state when you have,ou know guys running like mitt romney and john mccain and bob dole. a tough conservative wins florida. >> what was the impact of that ad -- i couldn't believe when he picked ryan, the democrats ran an ad of some guy whoooke yaus granny off the edge of a cliff in a wheelchair. it was subtle. >> it was subtle but that doesn't work because marco rubio got elected by promising. the one big date that he had with charlie cristndhe deatppt, talked about raising social security to 70. bob graham, one of the most popular democratic politicians in florida history, always talked about the need of possly raising the retirement age for social security and medicare. therhe are a lot smarter than politicians think. so no, it wasn't that good.
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let's talk some more about ike because, again, i think the guy is slowly evolving into my favorite president. talk abo- you say he's a war hero whoated war. and i guess ike, after korea, u.s. serviceman wasn't killed? >> yeah, i think one or two were, but the point is, he did not commit u.s. troops to combat. >>veeight year >> or e yer ad lots of opportunities. >> right. >> and he didn't. you know, ike was a soldier who never was in combat himself, but he saw a lot of the aftereffects of war. he went to the concentration camps. he saw what the ukraine looked miesad mch o.russiannd german head t essential insight that small wars lead to big wars. and he was determined to avoid any war. the way he did it was to bluff. he bluffed with nuclear weapons. >> and by the wa he hated war,
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but his enemies,merica's ats,idesly >> very important. >> he let them know and in fact, he would bluff that, you know, he basically would say from time to world war ii could look like a spring piic. >> again, you can get away with this ifou likike. 19 1950s, we forget, that was a scary time. duck and cover drills. nuclear weapons were new. there were lots of crises around the world. the communist threat was real. ike std up to them, but he ulua u tth h weapons. and it was a successful bluff and he kept america out of war. he was an all-or-nothing guy. if you go to war, go all the way. don't go halfway. >> it was also a scary time. you look what happened at what the soviet union was doing, consolidated the gai i eastereu. >> going into space. >> yeah, going into space. >> we lost the first space race. >> yeah.
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>> that was on his watch. what i was curious about, evan, i think we think of the eisenher eras t kof ides politic era for getting people like joe mccarthy and richard nin. talk about the media establishment's view of eisenhower. >> the media establishment basically loved senhower. u hri tir fend. correspondence. he and the publisher of "time" were great buddies. a lot of time people working in the white house -- it was such a different age. it was not as adversarial. it was much more trusting. correspondents would come t over to the white house, hav a few drinks h ike. he'd say stuff off the record. he even talked about recognizing china. imagine if that had leaked during the 1950s. it was just a different era. and ike was trustworthy. reporters also trusted him. >> also talk about ike the republican president tt was
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llintod ts it ro >> you know, he gets a lot of grief on civil rights. and it's true he did not use the bully pulpit. he could have done a better job on that. but he was a subtle guy. he desegregated d.c. when people weren't watching. he desegrated the armed wt tr. appointed all the federal judges that desegregated the south. he believed in moving, as john was saying, with a hidden hand. that's true on civil rights as well. he's been unfairly criticized for being weak on civil rights. he was not as strong as he could havebeen, but he did ts poant. w >> let's talk, presidential historian, jon meacham, who has a book coming out after the election that's forthcoming. "thomas jefferson, t.j." ike, a good president? a ar great president? or a great president? think that he -- one of the things we haven't talked about on the domestic side is he ratified what franklin roosevelt
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and harry truman had done in that he could have created --n 1952, 3,it cle,think, and check me on this, evan, was such that if he had been really intent on rolling back the new deal and the fair deal, it would ve been a huge fight and would have divided the country even more. llnt essentially did for ronald reagan. >> reagan. >> which is shift the conversation slightly, but accept the basic -- he was burkian -- accept the basic reality of what he found. >> like what they fndrom ar at. evan, let me ask you the same question. great? near great? >> great. he had wisdom. he had common sense. he made good choices. he was a big balanced budget guy. >> yeah. >> in this modern age, we forget how important that is. he managed- and he sodpo ow gels he had great moral strength.
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in those days, the big money was in the military. >> not just his own generals but also to britain, to france. we talk about the suez crisis. that's still stunning. >> behind thisnify g a hard man. when britain and france conspired with israel to invade the middle east in 1956, ike just pulled the plug. heaid to the brits privately, we'll let you boil in your own oil. no oil from us hereat le on d. asou guy when he had to be. but again, behind the scenes. >> the book is "ike's bluff: president eisenhower's secret battle to save the world." evan thomas, thank you very much. >> evan, thank you so much. >> stay with us if you can. still ahead, former chair of e't new tell-all nsus book about her experiences and lessons learned from the financial crisis. and next, former british prime minister, gordon brown, joins us right here on set. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks.
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>>kingdu,f ses in new york for the u.n. general assembly or as we like to think of it, the reason i can't get to work because of traffic! the event has always a veritable gathering of the iernational diplomatic juggalos. flan an incredible , syria opportunity for our president not just to address the world community but for in high-level prez-on-prez action. >> the white house says he has no plans to have any private meetings with world leaders. >> oh. weprlyto this is not the time for one-on-one meetings with other world leaders. >> our research shows it's been 20 years since a president has been to that meeting and not met one on one with a foreign leader. >> oh.
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well, i guess if the world leaders would like to meet with him personally, they can just donate $5 to his campaign and take their chances like the st of us. >> all right. here with us now, former british prime minist and the uted tispl e f global education, gordon brown, joins the table this morning. good to have you on board. you may not talk soccer. >> prime minister brown was a little disturbed that we were ov here celebrating the suez crisis, the boilingf brits in were so rry. >> we've moved on a long time ago. i don't know if you can move on. >> no, it's very hard. let's talk first of all about the crisis in the eurozone. where do we stand today? it's not onroay o the page of the papers so much. >> i would say we've stopped being like greece, and we're probably more like japan, and we've got this long-term crisis now. when the european central bank
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came in to be the lender of last resort, you've g some stalemate for the timebeing, you n prevt thisro goveiously wrong. the problem with europe is it's going to slow very slowly, if at all. it's got a huge banking problem that's still got to be sorted out. the leverage is far worse than the american banks. we've got a competitiveness issue, and we're losinghare of output to the rest of the world. so allheime ahiri is moving to a new dimension, at the same time you've got this long-term shift to asia, particularly to asia, but the emerging markets as well. and europe's not really doing well in the areas. so we've got lo-term problems that areoing to have to be so out. in the short term you can avert a crisis, but in the long term if you've got this recession, you've got low growth, you've got high unemployment, you've got banking issues. >> and polically, how do the germans contino get their peop to support countes le gr whe greeks are not
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reforming their taxes? >> well, they don't, actually. that's the problem, isn't it? >> the gres are not doing what they need to do to become economically solvent. at what point do the swrer mgery we're nogoing to carry tm on ourks anor >>weou'v g to accept responsibility for the rest of the union. and that's really the issue that's never been resolved. so everybody joined the monetary union. they all expected everything to be fine every day. when things go wrong, who picks up the pieces? if you've got a lender of last resort, then the lender has got to pick up the pieces at some po and thatns ter h t to pay their contribution. >> but how long do they pick up the pieces when you have riots in the streets every time somebody in greece suggests that they become fiscally responsible? >> yeah. but look. you've not only got greece, yove gotspain, portal, iranitou high unemployment, in some cases 20, 25% in spain. this problem is not going to go away. and we've got to face up at some point, if you have an economic union, who is actually going to
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pay the price? >> so this video has come into us. it's madrid last gh ag these are people who are protesting austerity measures. >> well, you've probably got about % youth unemployment in spain. >> oh, my god. >> that is something that cannot continue forever. you've got calonia threatening kiormissn to hold a now referendum or even about to hold it without permission. and i think that the problem is that europe is not growing. and you've got to get back to growth. you've had an analysis for the last four years that ts is a le erisdeec you've got a debt problem. and if austerity isn't working, let's have more of it, when actually it's a financial sector problem. your banks are not working. it's a competitiveness proble you can't sell your goods. it's a growth problem. you'veot got stimulus in you onom an you can g bk t th t the deficits will get worse and not better. and this is the cycle of decline
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that europe is facing. >> mark halperin. >> prime minister, i take your point about the medium and longer-term issue. how important from a practical and pshological point of view is it to europe r ica ha alen ahe m to get our fiscal house in order? >> i think it's going to be important that europe and america cooperate to get the world economy moving forward. that's the most important thing. you see, i don'tunderstand, since the rescue of the world economy in 2009, there is rtually cooration beten ama,a, india, europe to get the world economy moving forward. you, america, need to export to the rest of the world. you can't stimulate your economy simply by domestic consumption or public spending or plic investment. you need to sell to the rest of the world. china nee to,ndt needs to sell to europe and america. that's the blasz of a global growth agreement. china concerns more. you probably do a bit more on infrastructure. trade starts to moveforward. people have confidence. and that's what's missing in the world.
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b the world leader that brings about that kind of cooperation? >> i think he should. we had an agreement in 2009 that that's what should happen. you know, when it becomes a currency war with china, when people diagnose the problem wrongly in europe and say it's simply a debt problem, you can't make progress. and al the attempts at international economic cooperation have failed. look, we're in an economic economy. growth in the world economy is down to 2.5% this year. you know, it should be 4%, 5%. there's no inflation problem that's prevting growth movi ard. cooperation in trade, trading arrangements and america in particular should be looking to sell to the rest of the world. you've got the best technology in the world. you should be doing even better. >> okay, then. >> prime minister, shifting to national and international securi, what is your sense of at ahaniango to look like in early 2015? after the american withdrawal.
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and can you talk a little bit in that context about where pakistan is and where it's going. >> well, the danger in afghanistan, as we've always worried about, is afgnist is relytl r the taliban and partly run by a karzai-type government. and you end up having to cede space to taliban-pe forces or comeo some compromise with them that means that you go ki, ink, is the epicenter of everything that's really wrong and what's going to be dealt with. and if we could have more constructive relationships with pakistan, and that's very, very difficult, i understand that. if we could have a certainty that they would deal with their own intern lehe think that is the key to unlocking more peaceful relationships not just with the indian subcontinent but right across afghanistan. >> so mr. prime minister, your position at the u.n., you have the very small and easyask of making sur t u
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ve on the world's promise of making sure every child in the world has access to education by 2015. >> yeah. this is a silent emergency. i mean, it is tragic that today -- >> seems like impossible task >> 61 million childrenround e worl wil n b going to school because they've got no school to go to, no teacher, no classroom. and we've been entirely complacent about the dangers that come when you've got a youthful generation that is unemployed and unemployable in some of the most vulnerable counies in the world. now, ihink yououldak a humpthn a short time. part of it is money. part of it isetter organization, part of it's training teachers, ending child labor, millions of young girls have become child brides are taken out of school. it's utterly medieval that that should still be happing. 10 million children a yr a mihi brides. 15 million children working full time under the age of 12 who can't be at school. now, if we could deal with these problems of ex-.ation and
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discrimination and prejudice, if we could get investment into teaching and countries like niria and ind whi are capae adi it if we can get some of the trouble spots and get education there reorganized so that we can deliver it, i think we could make a huge impact on this figure. look, this is a shame on the wod. it's a shame that you make a promise in 2000, and now there are more children out of schl in africa than there were last ye anu'oto chance of meeting this goal unless we take urgent action. and today the secretary-general and l the u.n. organizations, business for the first time, faith groups for the first time are coming together in this coalition to do something about it. you know, i cannotefend a tun whe ible to go to school. we spend maybe $100,000 on the education of a kid in the western world. and you know what we spend in africa? $400. that's all we spend on the education of a poor child. andid is about $12 per child. yocannay t tis overgenerous if you're having a debate about aid.
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>> and yesterday you rang the bell, opening bell at wall street along with your wife, sara, to celebrate. >> yeah, the stock industry went up, i think. >> zoomed up, exactly. are entering into partnerships -- here you are ringing the bell right here. you can see immediately wall street explodes upward, upward! >> these kids loved to be there. they wanted to be stock brokers after at ac.d ty'reoio hat is adorable. >> good for you. >> gordon brown, thank you very much. >> hold on. we need to break down the league. who's it going to be? man city? man u? >> man city lost last night. manchester united. alex ferguson still the greatest manager in t world. >> he'smarkable. >>he c bn. they started not so well but they came back and he got von persie, player from arsenal, and he's been scoring all the goals. your team, liverpool, they'll come back probably in about two
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or three years' time. >> two or three years'time, but ey gre ge they're off to a slow start. >> the only good thing about europe at the moment is the european champions league. you've got barcelona, real madrid, manchester united, some of the greatest teams. great to watch. >> it was something, before the man u/liverpool mah ts past weekd, tri for the 96 who died. it was an absolutely stunning cover-up, even apology from the "sun" which hasn't been read in liverpool for 20 years now. justice. justice for the 96. >> i actually set up that iniry. >> did you really? >> w gew evce. andy berman who's one of our ministers really pushed it very hard. and e results of that is that people have looked back on what ally did go wrong. and it's bad news, i'm afraid, for the police and for our legal authorities. but when an injustice is ne ttowong it takes. if people are going to believe that the justice system is going to work well in the future, an
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injustice has got to be corrected wherever it is. >> ll, thank you for setting up that inquiry. the results really were stunning. >> and berma was the guy who did it. and he was an everton supporter and he wanted to see justice for the people of liverpool. >> that's huge. that is huge. an everton supporter. >> absolutely. >> we'll have to becer t go. >> everton lost last night as well. coming up, former chairwoman of the fdic, sheila bair, and has tough words for treasury secretary tim gehner. mo "morng jo in st a mome. ♪
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they're not that bad, really. >> on a serious no, talk about the significance if he gets elected being the first morman president. >> you know, i love the fact that we have the first afrin-amicanrent, at ns t m that we're leaving prejudices behind. i would hope tha if mitt were elected, we would see more of the same. that prejudices are being left behind. >> more of the same first african-american -- oh, no, i'm sorry. >> no. get it right, jay. i thought y said you'd like afrin-american president just to show that we're really beyond it. that's not what you meant. >> get it right. >> as first lady, what would your isss be? >> m.s., breast ncer, more awareness, and if i have anoth diseasbeeen nd, en >> u next, former chairwoman of the fdic, sheila bair. keep it right here on "morning joe." we've all had those moments.
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44 past the hour. here witusw,or ic chairwoman sheila bair. she is out with a new book, "bull by the horns: fighting to save main street from wall street and wall street from itself." giving her perspective on the financial crisis that began back in 20. and you'll remember that bair is kndghe full risk of eo have subprime loans and all that happened after that acknowledgment. i've got a choice for you, joe. >> yes. >> she says that tim geithner seemed to view his job as protecting citigroup from her whene should have be worri about protecting the taxpayers c ge. >> that's a good one.
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>> or citigroup ceo vikram pandit wouldn't know how to underwrite a loan if his life depended on it. >> this is the great thing about a three-hour show. >> yeah? >> we don't have to make choices. let's start with timeithner -- de th me? >> tim seemed to view his time as protecting citigroup from me when he should have been worried about protecting the taxpayers from citi. it sounds like you believe -- and u say in this book that tim geithner was interested in protecting the big banks. >> well he was. idt think he was doing what he thought was right. i think he thought about protecting banks, making them profitable, it was going to benefit the broader economy, and it didn't work out that way. their interests are different from our interests. and i think that was the fundamental problem, the philosophyf thbat policies that continued on to 2009 and to some extent today. they are t very different things. >> so how did this happen that the end of 2008, 2009, we were all jumping up and down
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screaming that the banks were too big to fail? they were too big to fail? >> right. >> nheks are eve bi. >> yeah. >> in any of these four or five banks fled tomorrow, we would be bailing them out again. >> i'd like to think not. dodd-frank did give regulators a lot more tools than we ha it can be put into a rolutn octhll t to be funded to stay operational. >> but the banks are bigger. >> but shareholders and creditors take the losses. they are bigger, there's no doubt about it. it's not so much size as it is complexity. what i worry about, what i stay up at night worrying about are these iversal banks that have commercial banking but ty also they're doing securities market, derivatives, some are doing insurance. they're just very, very complex. >> and citi is the most complex of them all. >> i think bause of its international operations. and yeah, information systems were not and i hope ty've arf v rapid acquisition activity with citi, and they
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never really effectively integrate the those operations and had good risk management information systems for the senior management to know what was going on. >> and you also said that when citi selected its new ceo, that was a snalhaty mo fa dnd butter banking operation to a bank that was going to take high risks. >> well, i think it reinforced that. i thinkhat was part of the problem already, when chuck prince was there and of course citigroup, there was more risk taking. there were complex securities. they were big into cdos. they pioneered all the nasty initials that we learned during the crisis, they were doing. they weren't really a bread and butter commercial bank. they had been hijacked already by the investment culture,nd thk wuseice when they put a hedge fund manager in charge of it, what should have been a very large commercial bank. >> mika, we reached out to the treasury department. they declined to comment. >> that's a problem. >> they didn't want to talk about it. but t the case with citigroup.
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citigroup did respond to "bull the s"nd"since vikram pandit became ceo during the financial crisis, citi has executed a strategy based on returning to the basics of banking and building a culture of responsible finance." jon meacham, if you onl y handled yourins responsible a way. >> i know, that's why i got married, actually. >> oh, good. >> actually, tomorrow is allowance day. >> is it really? what's it going to pay you? that's fantastic. >> i'm going to go get some bazooka later on. >> great. >> do you find you're a veteran of the political wars, do you find the political systemow in '12, '13 lessadequate, less able to d w more tech technocratic than, say, pick a number, ten years ago? >> oh, absolutely.
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i think especially in the financial services sector, the growth of financial sector correspond with the growth of their political influence. edpl as a weapon. they intimidate people. oh, we're systemic. and who can challenge it? i don't think they need to be this complex. i think we should simplify them. that's one of the recommendations in my book. but the regulators as well as people on the ll need to ask questions, understand it, have staff understand it. i really go to pains to break down these concepts because they're really not that hard. leverage is leverage. you know, risk is risk. you can dress it up in a lot of fancy symbols, but at the end of the day, that's what it was about. so i tnky dse ts a weapon, and i think congress is a little cowed by them if not co-opted by the money. >> it seems like you'reore of a populist than geithner regarding the balance between the public interestnd the nks.
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atulth rec prenamor a newly elected mitt romney look for in a treasury secretary to try to strike the balance in a different way? >> well, i think they need someone who's iependent of large financial institutions. someone who sees finanal institutions as a means t an end, not ando themselves. they're there dee posit insuran other types of support to support the credit needs of the real economy, not just to fan their balance sheet. i think -- we need that separation and we need someone who believes in regulation, doesn't thk it' a bad thing to be a regulator. you ow, i d't le a l buaucratic regulation. i think some of the stuff coming out now is highly bureaucratic and it's somewhat inkre meantal, but you can do it. >> quickly, give me the name of someone who should be treasury secretary. >> well, you know,boy, i don't erre a lot of good names out there. i actually think that in the regulatory space, it's just as important to have people at the fdic, at the fed.
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if the occ, if they keep it who also, i believe, in effective regulation. dend seone who ecrety,y understands fiscal situation, work with congress to get a decent budt passed and a long-term plan. i think it's unforlt gnat in dodd/frank that they gave some overght to treasury too. degess of who's y'requd secretary of state. that's another one of my recommendations. >> there's so much to cover in the book. i wonder if you can tell us before we go where housing stands. >> well, i think housing is state sluggish. wee seeing positive signs. ere'stilf delinquent ones out there, a lot of inventory that hasn't come on the market yet. i think that's one of the fundamental problems in 2008, 2009. again, the focus was all on getting banks pritable again and getng tic assets off
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the bank balance sheet. yes, housing is coming back but it's sluggish, iffy, and it's going to be a long haul. >> okay. the book is "bull by the horns." >> congratulations. it looks likereatbo >>hod you in spain. in athens grease, they te over the streets. we'll ha more ahead with cnbc's brian sullivan. >> apparently upset, the parliament said they were going arrydebt, shocking for the kids in the street. >> you know what? at some point the germans are going to say to their leaders, enough. we're not going to keep carrying countries on our back that aren't going to star acting response phical. ourerag bs r t k. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. [ male announcer ] with a driving range
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good morning. it is 8:00 on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. time to wake up, everyone. take the covers off, get out of d, and take a live look atew york city. ba with uet we have mark halperin and ed rendell. >> a couple weeks ago -- i'll say it. i tried to sound the rning. like a fire marman, kicking dow door, yli t peoin t beet out, get out, save yourself.
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they're yelling at me. why are you so upset, you ino. there's a big piece. buchanan was doing what she had to do. her job is to problem up the romney campaign even when people are saying how b the campaign is going behind the sces. talking about "e walltrt jol" tac t lawyer in gram has had legitimate concerns, rush, you name it. everybody's had concerns. and so what -- they've been -- not conservativ because the coervatives that are leaders who undetand what a mess ts tr i and our party's in, they're with me. but let's just say some of the screechers, whether it's certain talk radio shows or -- people -- you know,hey're blaming the pos.
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it's the pollster's fault, right? like the mondale people were blaming the polls the day before the election. blame it on everything else but where the blame li. that's mitt romney and his horrible campaign. peggy noonan was ay. ese isplik peggy noonan. these id yachts people like "the wall street journal." the people blast people like laura ingram they say, why aren't you a loyal public. a loyal republican says the house isn fire, time is nninout. ife'ngo ss house, we'd better do it now. i tried a couple of weeks ago. guess what? time's running out. you know when voting is starting in ohio? next week. >> 26 states have already started early votg. >>6teve started early voting. in ohio, where the polls show us how horribly mitt romney is doing in ohio, you know what? i was saying last week, 45 days?
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there are not really 45 days left. we've got to turn this aro or reha was writ p, mitt's media blame game. this by a conservative, by the way. extreme right-wing trolls. "the wall street journal." just like "the wall street journal's" been warning mitt romney's campaign for a month now th he'd better d methg orlseheoi to do. since pulling even in the polls after the paul ryan pick and the gop convention last month, the romney campaign has stumbled repeatedly. yet mr. romney, who's losing by five orore points iniowa, colodo, scon ch, ohio, florida, and virginia, sees blue skies ahead. asked how he intended to turn his campaign around, mr. romney told "60 minutes," "wet it doesn't need a turn around." an romurteerut
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all over the weekend blaming the liberal media for the campaign's troubles. the press didn't tried ronald reagan and george w. bush any less unfairly. mr. romney would do better to focus more on reducing his unforced ros and lsnhe fo s's political bias. if whining about the liberal media was a winning strategy for republicans, newt gingrich would be the nominee. >> that's a great example of wh we're talking abo here. instead of steppin forrd a ra hlf fhis candidate -- >> you know what? ed to ak-- todd aiken's going t lose that week. it's one week from the first presidential debate and we have brand-new pollingut fromee ra s ss that show this race is slipping away. >> the big three that a. >> and they're the big three.
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>> are you ready? zip it. acin to the quinnipiac/new york times/cbs news shows. no republicahas lost and then won the presidency. the president is up nine points in florida a has opened up a 12ointead pelvia in the same poll president obama leads mitt romney in his handling of the economy in all three states. 51% of the voters say the president would do a better job. >> all right. let's go back to the last slide, guys. mark halperin, les talk to e a liral. you said it for years. guess what? republicans have somehow managed win despite that liberal bias. you've said it repeatedly on the show. so despite that fact, mitt romney is not getting crushed in all three of these states because of leral med bi what's happening there and why
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is he losing so badly, especially in ohio? >> well, it's very unlikely the president will win those states by the margins, but the at are oine with private polling and some other polling. i think the biggest problem now remains him. the president says something, the republicans get all excited about it. they treat it like gaffe. they'll talk about it if a day. and then they'll move on to something else e biggest danger feow th repcaarre t things. one is that you look at polls in terms of who people think is now going to win and from leading republicans andank and file republicans you hear increasingly the president is going to win. th's a dangerous thing for anybody toe rning in the headwinds of. right now the democrats could not only hold the senate, they could actually pick up a seat inhe senate. i don't know what happens to the house. if the president wins by these huge margins and they take -- pick up a senate seatather
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than lose control of the senate, theousegog toin play. it's not today, but republicans right now are in danger of having this thing just fall in on itself and it all can be turned around if governor romney performs better. >>y the way, bl kristol has ben to be concernedit a ekly sar a the republicans losing the house. again, you don't help your party when the person at the top of the ticket is doing such a horrific job that he could not only endanger the presidency but could endanger both houses. >> ist the person at the top of theicket tt's so awed eddethat the party won't be able to move forward? >> well, absolutely. although i don't think mitt romney started out as a flawed candidate. i think mark's point is incredibly relevant. campaigns today, joe and mika, focus oninnihe da winning the day. president obama says bump in the road. get all excite and push "bump in
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the road" and it distracts them from what ght to be the overall message. the media drives that. they don have to react te me if was running for president, i'd stay on course. all the romney campaign seems to be doing is reacting to the theme of t day. >> if you look inside the numbers, "the new york times" poll and "the washington post" poll, people ithe state of o,y aajority are saying the economy's getting better, i trust president obama now to lead the economy. this is man who's up against huge unemployment numbers. you can rattle through all the economic data that should not be good for president obama. yet in the threer f ss ma, the tide is switching i thought florida, nine points, is the most shocking. >> florida 9 points, florida, 4 points. iave said --
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he g b wiped out. >> the other thing that's a problem is the gender gap. the gender gap is gigantic. why did the romne camnav these yope. they're not addressing it with the presidents' daily so-called gaffes. >> romney was on leno last night. i didn't see the whole thing but the clip i saw -- i dodge know. think it's littl tin. erelatability issue is constant. >> there's a big issue. they have trouble relating. remember, we were driving around tampa, and we drove past -- ed, you' understand this, bei a populist republican a puan w passing all these little sort of ranch houses, probably 1,800 square feet, whatever, probably cost
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$70,000, 75,000 bucks, and as we were driving past, i said you ok tus.y mitt romney's not going every one of these houses voted for them, every single person. i could go knock on the door and they'd know my name and they'd ask for the yard sign. how many of these little ranch houses are going to vote for mi romney. and just so i don't make it about myself. inboeorge w. bush.eam those people in the ranch houses voted for grge bush. >> or jeb. >> or jeb bush. they voted for ronald reagan. they voted for conservatives that they thought could relate to em. you look a the ran houses now. they may notike bk a, ary gng to go out and vote for mitt romney? i think -- mika, i think -- you know -- and you were looking at them. yeah, it's the relatability. >> you can't tell anymore who they would ve r, and it used to be pretty clear. i want to show you ts s . romy is spending, of
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course, his third straight day in ohio. president obama is reporting there later this morning. the new york times says they'll be campaigning more often in the coming weeks. thov underscores the fact that mr. romney is not generating enough excitement on his own and ryan is neede to fire up more supporters. >>. that's quite a guy, isn't it? paul ryan. isn't that something? wait a second. roey/rn,ro/r romney/ryan. there we go. thank you. >> oh, sweet jesus. >> i'm sorry, i'm sorry. i shouldn't be so hard on you. i shouldn't bring um newt gingrich.
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>> it's just irrelevant. >> it's irrelevant. what do theatlics say? holy mary mother of god, pray for us sinners now and in thy hour of peace? >> no. it's other. >> i just did bad having gone to catholic high school. it'sn the end of "godfather 2." >> how do you fix it? >> you don't f it. he's a great man. he's a great father, great husband, greatbusinessman, great turnaroundguy. the world, e'd have him run it. he's just -- he's a horrible politician. he's one of the worst. he's great guy. i just want to say, he's a great, gate, guy, but, man, ed rendell, you know . great guy. >> mitt romney when i knew him
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as governor of massachusetts was smart, competent, confident. >> so you think heould be worked with if he had the right team around him? >> well, i think they tried to make him into something he's not, and when that happensn poli, ewoup for everything. he is a moderate. he believes in certain things. when he demonstrated to us his health care plan, myself and my staff went up there when he was still governor. he was proud of the plan. he knew every little detail about the pn and he was thst. ahen i great plan. be proud of it. be proud of it. it's a major accomplishment. don't run from it. you've got to be yourself when you're a politic. people have a great sense of knowing en you're ting to be something you're not. >>ember gege busk i , kn, we look at him as such a great man now, but sometimes he would try to be -- get a little goofy on the campaign trail and embarrass himself. and when he was himself, he was -- >> terrific. >> -- a remarkable man, a war
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heroa grele. it jus -- it's rough. i don't understand though -- you know, willy, we were covering four years ago in iowa where he was playing right-wing evangelical conservative, and it didn't work for hi nobody believed him. hrde goe himself this time. >> yeah. we're not seeing it. we've seen a number over the curse of months, a number of interviews where he's asked a question. we've said this many times where you see the gears turning, what am i supposed to sayhere. instead of justng el it hgh u to him. mika talked about relatability inside the washtched polls of yesterday. that goes to president obama, too, among some reblican >> i thought aeme m in campaign is when mitt romney was asked about the
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blount amendment. and his first response, i would never be in favor of it. the next day he was for the bloenlt amendment. he had anc t carve out some relationship with women by saying it's abusive and i'm against it. what are conservatives going to do? vote for barack obama? he had so many chances during the campaign to carve out his own identity, which i think is closer to the real mitt romney. t events here in the city. he talked about his roles in the city. veryeducational. very educational show with bria showed that he's a policy guy, cared about issues as the governor dug into m. th mitmnoeot get very much attention and he doesn't put it on display very often. and it's now -- t thing he has to become is a fighter. he has to have guys like joe scarborough look at him ery e rt country, and r
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fighting to turn the country around. i don't see that but if he doesn't see that. em's going to be very hard to keep the party behind him. >> what's coming up next,mika? >> coming up, from theuclear tension in iran to thearn syria, can the u.n. security council come up with any solution? "guys with kids" co-cated by jmyfallon. we'll talk with one o t st first, bill karins with a check of the weather. bill. >> good morning, mika and everybody el. around the country, it's been pretty quiet. we haven't had a lot of nasty weather. we're going to our nty weather now that's a little more gy, ttor murky. doan expect a brilliant blue skies or sunshine around many areas of the country. we're watching two days in a row with rainy weather in illinois and indiana along with cooler
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temperatur. thunderstorms in louisville. now in new england, it's kind of a cloy tt bune down along the mid-atlantic. most of the rain should be very light. temperatures will be mild today, much warmer than the days ahead. enjoy the 70s wle they last. looks like we're going to be stuck in the 60s throughout the week with on-and-of rain. t areas that has enjoyed great september. look at the next four or five days. temperatures taking a big dip in the days ahead. as far as the areas still looking pretty warm, sthern half of the country. texas, a little cooler but we're 'rav yh shot ofw 90s st. louis. you've been one of the areas dodging the rain. you're looking dry for the time being. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks.
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i know there are some who ask why don't we just ban such a video. the answer is enshrined in our laws. ou cstitution protectshe ghoraerespeech accept that people are going to call me awful things every day. and i will always defend their right to do so. and on ts we must agree. there is no speech that justifies mindless violence. [ clapping ] >> let me be clear. americans want t resolve this issue through diplomacy, and we
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believe there is still time and place to do so, but that time is not unlimited. we respect the right of nions weut ohe purposes of the united nations is to see that we harness that power for peace. make no mistake, a nuclear armed iran is not a challenge that can be contained. it would threaten the elimination of israel, t setygunas,nd the stability of the global economy. >> 21 past the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." that was president obama, of course, addressing the united nations yesterday, strongly condemning the anti-islamic video that's caused so mh renhedleabu id did not justify the attacks on the u.s. embassies and also delivering a stern warning to iran over its nuclear ambitions. joining us now under the british
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parliament, alistair burt. nice to have you on the show this morning. >> thank you, good to be back. >> what are they saying here at home trying not tore too avhy sending a clear message. >> i thought it was clear about the balance of speech, understanding the damage the video had done but aery clear statement of what american values and universal valuen teofedf ch nothing could undo the tragic death of ambassador stens. some very interesting things in his speech. good speech. >> let's go to iran. yeah. >> you know, therere obviously a lot of criticisms for not meeting with the president.
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is there anything at this point that the united states could be dog that it is not doing beyond takina step, a car st toward all-auout war? >> the united stateses is working with other powers including united kingdom. they've made it clear the path iran is on ishldaou it's absolutely right. we're giving iran every opportunity to show that their program is safe. they're not taking it. the president has said and all the other parties agree, this is a unlitedim iran h got. >> we never get anywhere with iran. you used the words "negotiated solution." what does that mean? they're a country that seems be playing cat and mouse all t ti. here two alternatives
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here. one is that it's good. the other two are bad. one is a nuclear-capful iran and the other is a strike on iran that will cree pro deuce a physical reaction frn a ws wh. that's why it's essential to carry this on. that day is coming, and we all know it, but you've got to talk as long as you possibly can. >> jnac neth ts that doest ge talked about very much in the war gaming literally about the possible strike on iran, is what does day two look like? just in purely tactical strategic convertions, can you could be about what iran would do? >> beyond saying day two is bad, no one knows. that the point.
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everyone knows, the moment there is a physical strike against neheen the shootg starts think all the tacticians say, you never know what happens next. it's all right to say you have a plan but more or less the plan goes out the window. what we know is there plans to be a physical attack. can theylylliesehind its cause. will they say we've been unfairly attacked? as i say, the consequences of iran proceeding on its course is bad. if there's nuclear proliferation in the area, it's disastrous. evngra of having a nuclear capability is absolutely what it's about because the consequences are dreadful. we would argue the strikes are just as dangerous but clearly if there come as time to do what needs to be done, our prime minister and therent aheiorehe table. what's important is iran realizes their obligations under
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their own treaty and steps away. it's entitled to a nuclear program, that can be done, but they have to make the right move. >> most of theocusnhe negative things. loss of american diplomats' lives and unrest in syria. what do you see besides the general move toward democratization. what do you see as positive in any of the couries that give tight direction? >> i've been at my post through this arab spring area. i always said to the people at any particular point at the end of the first paragraph, the first page of a chapter in a book, i don't know where it's going to go. it's much too earlyo say how is ioio pout. you can pick out straightforward things. there's been free elections. parties have been elected. they're all working in coalition. you have an islamic party
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workg withec l coiorts. libya that -- you know, this time last year they were in a war and in nine months they've produced elections for a government. but it won't be easy but it won't be linear. the path to democracy, it's a process. it's not a suv event, so it will take time andre wl b setbacks. th tragedy of the other week was a setback of immense proportions and the hurt done to the united states and people in libya recognizing that a friend of libya had been killed. this is a setback of terrible proportions. giveeople pluralism, the freedom of choice, that process will go on, but we're yet to see how easy that will sit with those who would like to use a bit of freedom to repress others. who knows how this is going to go. t we're still optimistic. >> meechham. >> prime minister gordon brown was here. he used the phrase pakistan is
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the epicenter of the problems we face and my sense wasmplications and beyond. can you tell us what you think a -aca aniooks like and what the issues of pakistan are? >> well, firstly, when the international forces -- combat pot no wot be14 i a swihing off of lights. we'll be involved in training and so forth. we switched out the lights a few years ago when the russians left and you saw what happens if you leave in a vacuum. we're all going to be involved. rtkistan is not t easie it's difficult political situation. it's a difficult power situation, a balance between the military, intelligence services, the army, an of course, the civilian administration. it takes work and it tes effort. opho do not want to back are
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it, they've got be engaged with it. so i hope sort of post 2014 afghanistan will not be a post united states pakistan or pakistan. staying engaged is tough but it's veryrt s t are those who want the united states to leave, you make the calculation, would you want them to hold there or leav >> thank you very much for coming in. >> my pleasure. >> that was enlightening. "guys with kids." new cho anthony joins us on set. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] wouldn't it be nice if there was an easier,
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relaxed i't grasp wt' ppeng. >> i know you were waiting for black friday to get a tv on sale, but i felt so bad i wanted to get it for you now. happy anniversary. >> oh, my god. oh, my god. this is the best moment of my life. corky, yo, ye te . i look. >> oh, my god! box! >> that was a sne from the new sitcom "guys with kids," which premieres tonight at 8:30n nb joining us now, one of the stars of the show, anthony anderson. >> good morning. >> we're going to have a diplomatic incident if we don't mention our other guest. >> y gsre uds that i -- >> look, man. i went to public school in compton. hold on.
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>> nobody said throw weight. >> i know scintillating. >> in greensro, hell >> hello, grbo >> thank god. tell us about "guys with kids." >> it's great. it's a story about celebrating hollywood. mywocota >>t sit you do actually ? >> see, that's just unnecessary. >> me in particular on the show, i'll tell you what i do since i am a stay-at-home dad, which is the most important job that you can have. really? >> is a stay-at-home pant. t'unow beso imant when a guy does it. go ahead. >> what do you mean? >> i'm sorry. >> what do you mean? >> we're going to go this. >> this is like dan rather. >> i gave up my career on the show so my wife could go out and do what she wants so i could e ou boys.
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>> really. >> yes, really. it's a thankless job. >> we know this. >> look, i sympathize with you. >> do you? >> yes, i do. >> tell us what you go through. tell us about the struggles with "guys with kids let me guess. >> i have fr ber the age of 8, a set of twins that are under 9 months old. >> that's pretty bad. >> i have a deal with them. >> i bet at the park when you're walking around with dids can, the women walk up to you and actuallymy g, look at u. that's how i made the twins. i was pushing the other two boys around and a lady came up. >> exactly. case closed. >> can i say something? are any of them cute and do any of them say the darndest things? >> they're all cute. pretty . nd6 7-year-old, they say some crazy things. but what was i gng to say? jesse bradford -- you know zack krieger, my co-star, he had three of the kids fired fro the
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show. >> o >> yeah. in front of a live audience. >> wait a minute. here le h babies. >> flubbing their lines? >> flubbing their lines, picturing him when they weren't -- >> are you serious? >> yeah. throwing them under the bus. these kids were working for their college tuition. >> how old were they? >> 9 months. >> 9 mohs? so the h tritunt doubles to replace them? >> yes, they had to. >> can't you photoshop? >> you say photoshop. >> this is all cgi'd. >> look at them. oh, my lord. u know, i'm married to the beautiful bledsoe, vanessa fro >> jimmy fallon. i love jimmy fallon. >> king fallen is what he makes
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us call him. >> how is he to have around? >> he's never around. >> that's the best manager to have. >> very abusive, never shows up. neversanytng. the only reason i know he's part of the show is because i hear from the creative guy on commercials. >> he likes to cal it mailbox money. me, i work for mine. >> what do y mof landscape? you're on at 8:30, nbc. >> i'm not a gardner. >> here we go. what do you think the biggest chlenges are to sort of break through? >> younow what? az weeav aversation about it. just doing the pilots. the networks only have so many time slots to kill. you really have to capture lightning a bott, and we did.
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ewwatching, "all in the swse family," the cosby fkos bcosby >> when you come back to join us again, will you bring three babies? >> i have thenheooht i travel with them. >> i love them. bring them on the set. >> i will. >> that's it? >> that's it. >> you talk about pakistan for 12 days and you spent three minutes? >> anthony, it was five minute >> al oh. three of it was fake, talking about the thankless job you have. >> it went so fast because i'm so sweet and kind and fun to be with. >> where's joe? this is "morning joe." where's joe? >> a i not good enough >> you'reeat, sweetheart. is joe an enigma? >> he kind of is. >> pilot show meets "the wizard
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of oz." >> best of luck. can't wait to watch you. coming up next, protesters take to the streets in grease falling new austerity measures. we're going to talk about that story and brian sullivan joins us next before "business with the bell kwgts next. we'll be right back. this country was built by working people.
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president obama and i both caer poor families. the differce imyic m tste them. we shouldn't measure compassion by how many people are on welfar we should measure compassion by how many people are able to get off welfare and good a good-paying job. >> welcome back to "morning joe." a beautiful sho of washington, d.c., on a beautiful mog. hey, so mark halperin, that was obviously part of a new r.i.m. ad. what do you think of the message? >> i think it's quite good. it's partly in response to the secret video to try to recover on that, but it's the core messe of ting to review f people whatt's be last four years, and governor romney -- they say he's not strong on came. he's going to have to come vince people he's the right guy and he doesn't have the convention to do that. given where they are, it's a pretty good spot. >> i think he's going do well in d obama campaign is already sort of spinning saying,
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well, we lost 17 of 18 debates against hiary, although it's not spin if it's true. he really did. the president doesn't play oou kn tell us about the middle east in 90 seconds. he's not good at that. he's great at giving big speeches but i think romney can do very well over three debates. >>e's got -- you know, the president has, i thi, kind of that's a great way to put it. >> what i would say back to that is "mr. gorbachev," tear down this wall is a sound bite mesas have to be torn down into sound bites. >> we have not. jfk in his inaugural speech. sound bites. >> that's just another way of saying clarity of thought. i think we're still in a place
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where if president obama had to build hiibra i ne yo know, x number of years, what would you -- is there a short phrase you could put on the wall? lots of paragraphs, and that's right. but there's also, you know, something to be said for a phy way al. ndro ire is a statement they put on the wall, but they change it every day. >> yeah. >> they're responding to barack obama's mistakes instead of saying it's economy stupid or are you better off than you we foea ago, even if they had borrowed from reagan anded with that every day, they would be cutting through it rather than the way they're cutting through it, responding to libya, responding to faux pas, responding on "60 minutes," responding to every other person last night. what he did the last four years, if you believe like i believe in
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smaller government and balanced budgets, he -- his record is absolutely horrific. so go out and say his econoc meage hfi i believe it. and he's just not doing it. "business before thebell"s the time of day we all come together as a communal family. it's where -- who is the gu >>arshall mcc. e, wngo in a global village. he was actually foreseeing the 45 seconds we give brian sullivan all the news across the financial world on "morning joe." let's tournen theight switch and bring the global world atoi across this wonderful world of ours, brian. >> i've really got to take up yoga given these toss. if we're a global village. >> i told you we are. >> iknow, but is nrit.
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show. >> they're rioting in europe. that's not a village. >> but it's a village all the same. indivi v villages riot. >> iuess you're rit. sometimeyou me ther er as wine, sometimes over a molotov cocktail again. >> again, it embarrasses me to always be right, but these are pictures of rioting in spain. now let'see what's happening in greece. and now let's see what's happening on the other side of the village in spain. wegoios well in spain. >> and we had riots around prots in portugal. >> and, by the way, is it not coincidence we had protestsn eenayn sunday night. >> here's the thing. the austerity issue is coming back in europe. it kind of went off the take for a few months. they're trying to hammer out new
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budgets in greece. those budgets include, a this ns,n retirement, in icut breaking unions. do these themes sound familiar, right? and that's what's happening in europe. maybe on graer scale than we have discussed here, but the people don't wanto be told that their retirement funds are going to be cu that they've got worernd y, there's about a 25% unemployment rate among young men in spain. a lot of young guys with no jobs and no prospects is not a good way to get social order. >> probably not. u a line from a powe. gng that's never been used before. >> okay. >> just because i'm a new kind of thinker. i'm a creator. >> right. >> the senate cannot hold. >> you are ptcrtor. >> the senate cannot hold. the numbers aren't sustainable.
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the pengs aren't sustainable. what the unions warrant, they're not sustainable. the debt to gbp is not sustainable. the political situation is not sustaible. this is going to blow up. i mean why do you thi h the rolling stones singing in the background. >> that's my fantasy football name, by the way, "give mechelle ter." >> we're so glad to know that. >> the line they took out is the snoeaheor >> exactly. >> just a shot away. it's just a shot away. >> you've done it again, brian. "morning joe" back in a moment. [ female announcer ] roam like the gnome this fall.
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welcome back to "morning joe." it's so great to have you here. we're going to talk abouthat we learned today. pulitzer prizeinr jon >> enoug of his book. it's not even on sale yet. >> what have you learned? >> i learned evan thomas has written a great book about eisenhower. >> what have you learned. >> kidsay the darndes things but not nsan. >> what have you learned, mika? >> i've learned when women have kids they just have them. when men tak care of them, they have a show about it. >> which reminds me of a story about my four childrenhat i >> and what is it that you do? >> what do i do. >> yes. >> what have i